Is it possible to steal blog content ethically? The answer is yes, but if you follow these guidelines, you will be forced into actually thinking, thus creating your own original content. Don’t get the wrong idea from this article’s evil title! This is more about being influenced by other content and learning, not stealing. There are many different types of bloggers, and blogging means different things to different people. This is basically my personal blog and is not niche related, but I do apply some seo tactics to gain search engine traffic.
The thing is, unless you are just writing original poetry, fiction, creating your own art and so forth; your blog is not original (not 100% original). It is impossible to be 100% original because everything we do is influenced by things others have already done.
Let’s take a look at some particular blog models:
The News Reporting Blogger
Many bloggers re-report the news. Some are into politics, entertainment, trends and so on. If you are not the person who actually broke the story, you are stealing (according to the AP). A recent hot topic is media giant The Associated Press and their republishing guidelines. Take a look at it:
I do find the AP’s republishing guidelines to be ridiculous – those prices are a bit high. Every major news source (like CNN, Fox and others) has permission from the AP to use their stories, but they pay for it and give them credit. If I announce that comedian George Carlin died on my blog (like many did yesterday), I obviously heard it from somewhere – does that make me a thief? I don’t think so, but if it were up to the media corporations, you would be fined and charged with a crime.
In my opinion, the AP should be thanking and paying us to get their info out there! (as long as we give them credit)
If you put a picture of Britney Spears on your blog, but didn’t actually take the picture yourself, are you a content thief? In some people’s eyes, yes you are. Here are some basic ethical guidelines for using other people’s content.
- If you use a picture from someone else, make sure you at least link and give credit to the originator. In blogging or Internet terms, links are good and you want lots of them – especially one way links to you. How many uncredited pictures do you have on your site? I have 12.
- If you quote another blogger, give them a link and full credit.
- Never copy and paste entire paragraphs from another blogger or site owner – it’s rude and wrong. Hell, I’ll drive across the country and burn your house down for doing that (ok, maybe I won’t…haha)
- If another site owner has pictures which are clearly marked as their property, do not steal them and put them on your site. If you like it that much, ask them for permission. Some authors are really touchy about it.
- Most bloggers like links and like to be quoted. If someone lets you know they didn’t like you using their information, remove it and apologize. You can quote me for free as long as I get a link.
- Just give links and credit every time. I have been thanked for using other people’s quotes and pictures, but I give links and credit. I have never been asked to remove a link or picture.
- Feel free to link to this post. I’d like it if you linked to all of my posts:)
The Money or Affiliate Marketing Blogger
This is where the most stealing happens of all blog types. I personally may or may not have other blogs in this niche that are not associated with this blog. I don’t want Google or anybody else knowing what I do or what I own. While some consider that in itself to be unethical, I think of it as being smart.
Here’s how I would go about creating content for this niche: Don’t steal outright. If you went to school, you should know how to write a book report. If you read ten articles about using adsense from other sites, you probably learned something from them. You can create your own unique blog post from those ten very easily. Read them, learn and add some of your own ideas – don’t just cut and paste. Don’t just change a few words, change it completely and make it your own. Check out my post on article marketing for a more in depth look into doing this.
It’s much like writing a song. There are thousands of hit songs that have the same exact musical chord progression on all of them. The songs are all different, but the general backbone is exactly the same. If someone had copywritten the D-C-G chord progression, thousands of number one singles never would have happened. Originality is your job. It is impossible to write a 100% original make money blogging post, but you can give it your personality and spin – that’s what gives you credibility and originality.
Now, blatant stealing happens every second on the Internet, but if you are at least honest, give credit and a link, you are doing better than 99% of everyone else. If you bitch too much about stealing and protecting every word you write, you are asking for congress to meter the Internet – we sure as hell don’t want that.
When you publish anything on line, it’s like putting a brand new Sony Playstation out on the street corner and not expecting anyone to steal it. They will steal it…period. Welcome to the Internet.
Having said that, I still don’t want new protection laws and Internet rules. If big corporations had their way, there would be two separate Internet’s: The fast lane for paid businesses, and the slow lane for everyone else. What big corporation wouldn’t want to actually own the Internet? Let’s hope that never happens and we retain net neutrality (click the link to see how you can help preserve our rights). Basically, you have to take care of your own backyard. If some scraper site republishes an entire post from you, take a look at the ads on their site. I recently had it happen to me. I reported an adsense violation to Google, and the site was removed in less than a week. So take care of your own content, give credit for every picture or quote you use and just be a good blogger…it’s not that much to ask for.






#1 by Genie Princess at June 24th, 2008
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Hi Bobby, I just arrived at your site when your comment came through!
Another great read Bobby, there are so many copycats around nowadays he he! I try to give credit whenever I “borrow” someone’s picture or words. This is a good reminder.
Have a great day Bobby Wobby!
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#2 by Jean Chia at June 24th, 2008
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hi bobby! Like marzie, i give credit whenever I use someone’s picture or words too. By doing so, we respect each others properties.
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#3 by dcr at June 24th, 2008
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“If you use a picture from someone else, make sure you at least link and give credit to the originator.” and “Never copy and paste entire paragraphs from another blogger or site owner – its rude and wrong.”
You’re being somewhat contradictory there. Why is it okay to take pictures but not entire paragraphs? Aren’t artists, photographers and illustrators just as creative as writers?
“If another site owner has pictures which are clearly marked as their property, do not steal them and put them on your site. If you like it that much, ask them for permission. Some authors are really touchy about it.”
Actually, you should ask first in any case. Under current Copyright law, copyright is secured upon creation of a work. A copyright notice is not required (though encouraged).
You seem to be taking the position that it’s okay unless you get caught or asked not to. It’s best to work from the opposite view; assume you don’t have permission until you secure it. Some authors/artists may post usage agreements (Creative Commons, copyleft, etc.) that define terms as to how you may use something. And, by posting images on some sites, they may also be agreeing to allow such uses. I think one of the big photo sharing sites has that in agreement, but I don’t know if that’s still the case.
In any event, you really shouldn’t use something until and unless you have clear permission to do so.
As far as the AP is concerned, it appears they may be going too far, IMHO. Small excerpts may be covered under “www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html” There is certainly a difference between quoting what someone else has said or written, and taking large portions of content.
Bear in mind that facts are not copyrightable. That George Carlin passed away is a fact. The old rule of thumb was that if you could verify something in three different sources, it was a fact. Don’t know what the rule of thumb is these days. In any event, if you don’t see something mentioned on multiple sites, it’s a good idea to mention the source. After all, what if the AP had reported George Carlin had died, and he hadn’t?
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#4 by ipowerweb at June 24th, 2008
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First – Great blog.
This post is very useful and it is so difficult for all of us to post new unique content on a regular basis. I just bookmarked your site. This stuff rocks. As long as google does not catch us we are in great shape.
Thanks,
Steve
#5 by American Alligator at June 24th, 2008
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this is a great post, especially because many people don’t know that they are unlawfully stealing someones post, and taking the credit !
#6 by Grace at June 24th, 2008
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When I do “steal”, or use others’ content, I always credit them!
I might include their name, their website/blog, or any other relevant info so they get the credits they deserve.
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#7 by The Masked Millionaire at June 24th, 2008
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Enjoyed this post a lot. Also really like your blog…well done.
The AP must be out of their minds to think anyone (especially me) is going to pay them those ridiculous fees.
I also reported on my blog that George Carlin died. Maybe the AP should pay me!!!
The Masked Millionaire
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#8 by Jack Payne at June 24th, 2008
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Why is it when you lift material from one source it’s called plagiarism? But, when you lift material from several sources it’s called research?
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#9 by Sandman at June 25th, 2008
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Hehehehehe… you can educate some of the fools most of the time, but not all the fools all the time
Thats what I feel when I look at the blogosphere today. I write article based posts on my blog, and I had many people copy-pasting my entire article on their blog! And at the end, sometimes a small credit to me, with not even a link…
Fortunately, these are nice guys, so I’m not making an issue out of this yet… but soon I think I too will start telling these people politely to stop stealing my entire articles… hrrrfff…
What AP’s doing sucks. But as the website stated, they are not going to target small time bloggers like us, and their main aim is to stop other news conglomerate sites from stealing their credits (and investment).
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#10 by Apple at June 25th, 2008
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Hey Bobby,
I like this write up. It definitely trigger some thoughts! I’d like to link this post in my other blog. Of course, you will be given credit for that.
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#11 by nunyaa at June 25th, 2008
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I used some artwork from Deviant but I asked Lordsomber if I could first, most would be flattered if you wanted to use their own personal work and asked in first instance. I wouldn’t go ahead and just do it without asking. I added a link and also posted whose work I was using at the time as well.
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#12 by Madhur Kapoor at June 25th, 2008
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The Title really got my attention. Normally i give credit whenever i copy from someone.
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#13 by Gary R. Hess at June 25th, 2008
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General copyright rules should always be followed. Don’t copy and paste full paragraphs, instead if you must, paraphrase. Don’t steal pictures. If you must use pictures make sure you use creative commons or public domain photos and in some cases, you must give a link with creative commons.
As for news, you don’t need to give credit to the originator. News is public domain. The only thing that is copyrighted is the way it is written.
News organizations use to get pride out of only being the first to report it. Now that faster media is around (youtube, twitter, blogs, etc.) they are trying to just be the ‘only’ people to report it.
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#14 by Shawie at June 25th, 2008
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great points! glad to hear you’re so generous, haha! Happy Wednesday!
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#15 by ettarose at June 25th, 2008
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Well shit! I was going to say everything I use is stolen. Then I read the comments from dcr. I swear I do not steal! Well not a lot anyways. If I see an article I want to write about, I usually substitute my words for theirs (news articles) and write different so as to not copy. Does that count. I actually am re writing the article. Pictures I try to find and get permission. Bobby, if I see something here I like consider it mine!
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#16 by Drseo at June 26th, 2008
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I am always thinking of new content for my sites I usally write on topics that I find interesting, when I actually do write a post it is Unique content.
I have had to contact sites and ask them to remove my (stolen content) from there blog/website Usally they will take it down in 2-3 hours soometimes it can become a headache and take several days to get my content removed….If you take somones work and dont give credit for it (you are a thief) You however can take the ideas given in the content and make it your own (rewrite it).
If you can not creat your own content then why have a blog or website in the first place?
there are several programs on the interent that will let you locate your stolen articles on the internet, I use the programs atlease once per week and so far so good.
#17 by Michelle Gartner at June 26th, 2008
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Since I am a writer outside of the internet I tend to get kind of self righteous about copyright infringement. The problem with blogging is that often I want to write about someone or something and don’t have picture to go along with… Most vintage items I write about- I take the picture. However I did post about George Carlin- and I used a wikipedia picture, since they go to all sorts of pains to post on their pics about public domain usage. It makes me feel so much less dirty snagging one of their photos.
Usually I don’t snag a picture from anywhere out right. I actually don’t mind when someone snags a picture from my blog if they give me credit. I do use stock photography from Morgue File and wherever else I can get free images.
I agree with Dan “about not having to register a copyright- although beneficial” (paraphrasing to not take more space). What I do when I write a newsletter or ad copy for a client is give them a contract- whether or not I give them outright rights. That way there’s a paper trail that it originated with me.
As far a blogs and web site being copyrighted- I agree with Dan again. My other gig is web dev (I am the owner-not developer) and I write all sorts of contracts specifying who owns what and who doesn’t own what content. I post it on my blog at the bottom – “reproduction may be restricted…” Which means at my will- I’ll tell you what you can use and what you can’t.
I am pretty relaxed about it for the most part though…
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#18 by Internet Marketing | Steve Renner at June 26th, 2008
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I think that creating your own original content based of someone elses is completely fine. As long as you don’t steal it word for word. Model and swipe that is the way the internet was created anyways. Someone puts something up than other people see it like it and do something just the same with there own spin. But maintaining good karma online is definately worth it in the long run when people start to know you or your work.
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#19 by Monavie at June 26th, 2008
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“Welcome to the Internet”. Boy ain’t that true. I love your blog posts, keep them coming! I think it is ethical to ask permission to use anything. The same goes for taking pictures at big events, you should ask the photographer with the copyright if it is ok for you to take some pictures if you don’t sell them. Common courtesy should be more well known on the internet as well.
#20 by michael wong at June 26th, 2008
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when i read the headline i thought it was black seo, but then i was pleasantly surprised. the article was definitely an eye opener in terms of teaching me something i didn’t know.
thanks dude.
cheers
mike
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#21 by Jeanne Dininni at June 27th, 2008
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Revellian,
As dcr says, facts aren’t copyrightable–and neither are ideas. It’s only the way those facts and ideas are expressed–the words and phraseology used to express them–that may be copyrighted. I really doubt that news is copyrightable, either–no matter what the news agencies may say (unless, of course, one uses the same wording used by the original news source without quotation marks and without giving credit).
It would be very easy to get around AP’s ridiculously high charges for using 5 to 25-word (and likely even 26 to 50-word) excerpts from their news stories by simply placing those excerpts in quotation marks and crediting AP as the source of the quotations. Of course, it’s a different story entirely if you decide to use those excerpts without placing them in quotation marks–in which case AP would appear to have a legitimate right to charge you for using its phraseology.
And make no mistake: When you illegitimately post someone else’s intellectual property to the Internet, your indiscretion is very easily found out via Google search or a Google Alert, should the author of the piece decide to use one of those methods to maintain the integrity of the work.
I’ve used Google Alerts to check up on my work for quite some time now and have found a number of instances in which my work was posted in its entirety to various websites without my permission, several cases where my work was legitimately posted but illegitimately altered and/or stripped of my byline, and even one case in which it was stolen and sold as someone else’s work.
Thought-provoking piece!
Jeanne
#22 by Jeanne Dininni at June 27th, 2008
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Revellian,
I’m not really very knowledgeable about photo rights. My comment was intended only to discuss written works.
About Google Alerts: I never set up alerts using titles to my work. It’s too easy to change a title before posting a piece, and several of my articles which have been used without permission (or used with permission but altered without permission) have had their titles changed. I set up my alerts using unique phrases from my articles, which is the way I’ve found the articles that had been posted to various websites without authorization.
I also set up an alert using my byline, which helps me find any website that posts anything with my name on it. This is interesting information to have, though it isn’t helpful for spotting plagiarism, since people who steal your work don’t leave your name on it. Sometimes it can help you find people who innocently post your work without realizing they should have gotten permission first, though, since these people usually leave your byline intact.
Wasn’t aware that when you change the name of an image and resize it, you effectively hide it from a Google Alert. Interesting.
Jeanne
#23 by Jeanne Dininni at June 28th, 2008
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Bobby,
No need to apologize for discussing pictures in your reply to my comment. They were, after all, part of the original discussion in your post, and they are just as important to the issue of borrowed/stolen content as are written works.
Not sure I totally understand how the digital fingerprints plugin works on WordPress. (By the way, I don’t use WordPress. My blog is part of the Orble blogging community and uses that company’s own software. Orble, an Australian blog-hosting company, features its own proprietary blogging platform created by its owner/technician. While my blog is on its own domain, Orble owns the domain name and pays my blog hosting fee. The company, which has a thriving community of over 4,000 blogs, offers domain blogs to selected bloggers whose blogs it feels have the greatest potential to succeed and hosts the rest on its own site at Orble.com.)
It’s fascinating that you’ve been able to learn so much from the blackhat bloggers you know and the blackhat SEO sites you read. That’s a great way to arm yourself and your readers against content hijacking. And while it’s undoubtedly true that experienced content scrapers have a technical advantage over most bloggers, who lack their level of hacking skill, Google Alerts really can help–because there’s no way the automated content scrapers can automatically change the wording of the entire piece (at least as far as I know), which means that setting up alerts that use unique phrases from your work can detect pirated content even when its title has been changed and its byline removed. That’s one great way that bloggers can fight back against content scraping.
The only reason these scraper sites can get away with this is because full feeds give them the perfect medium for easily appropriating entire blog posts. This is one strong argument for partial feeds–though, of course, few people like partial feeds because they do tend to defeat the purpose of using a feed reader.
You are so right not to publish anything from your novels or short-story collections on your blog. Often, it’s very tempting to do that; but with content scraping as rampant as it is, it really wouldn’t be a wise move.
Take care!
Jeanne
#24 by Blog Ex Machina at July 9th, 2008
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Right. Simply, it’s read, understand, paraphrase.
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#25 by Revellian at June 24th, 2008
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I noticed you pop in at that very moment Marzie
I had an expensive camera and video camera, but both were destroyed by hurricane Katrina. I am saving my school fund so I am not allowed to buy new ones yet. I need one so I can publish my own pics! You have a great day too Marzie Warzie
#26 by Revellian at June 24th, 2008
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That’s right Jean, respect for each other’s property! That’s what it’s all about
#27 by Revellian at June 24th, 2008
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I disagree with you Dan. Blogs are not copywrited, unless you actually pay for it from the government. Then, every post would have a three month waiting period. Most bloggers are not quite as staunch as you are in your convictions. Most of the pictures I use are from Flickr, not from other blogs and the owners love to see their work used in most cases.
I personally avoid using personal pictures from other blogs because I don’t feel right about it. Flickr or Deviant art are good places to get pics and artwork and still be legal. I try to do the right thing when I post. I’d say 95% of all bloggers use other’s content in a good way and most site owners are happy as long as they get a link.
I’m a lot more liberal on this issue than you are. I wouldn’t use one of your pictures…I’d probably commit suicide from the onslaught of guilt…hahaha
#28 by dcr at June 24th, 2008
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Blogs are not copywrited, unless you actually pay for it from the government.
You’re factually wrong there.
Any written work, in the United States, whether a blog or a book or whatever so long as it is fixed or recorded in some form, is protected by copyright upon its creation. Registration and even a copyright notice is not required under the current Copyright law.
According to the U.S. Copyright Office: “The copyright in the work of authorship immediately becomes the property of the author who created the work.” And, “The use of a copyright notice is no longer required under U.S. law, although it is often beneficial. ”
Do blogs qualify? Of course! “Copyright protects original works of authorship that are fixed in a tangible form of expression. The fixation need not be directly perceptible so long as it may be communicated with the aid of a machine or device.”
Registration of copyright is not required for copyright protection. “No publication or registration or other action in the Copyright Office is required to secure copyright.”
More information on Copyright can be found in Circular 1: copyright.gov/circs/circ1
Registration of copyright does give the copyright owner additional protection. For example, if you don’t register your copyright on a work and someone “borrows” it, you can go after them for damages or royalties and such. But, if you have registered your copyright, you can sue not only for the damages but for court costs and attorney fees as well.
And, there is no “three month waiting period” either. According to the Copyright Office: “Your registration becomes effective on the day that the Copyright Office receives your application, payment, and copy(ies) in acceptable form.” You may have to wait six months (or longer) for your certificate of registration.
copyright.gov/register/literary
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#29 by Revellian at June 24th, 2008
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Thanks for the copywriting lesson Dan
. I played and wrote music professionally for years and had to copywrite every song, it cost a lot of money to do. In music, almost every melodic passage anyone plays has already been played and is probably copywrited by someone, but if you use the same lyrics, it is somehow considered more of a theft. It’s a gray area. But you’re right, and I learned something – so I cannot argue with you on this.
Looking around at say, entertainment blogs, which have tons of pictures of stars – are all in the wrong and deserve to be sued? Most of them don’t even link or give credit for anything. I’d say that almost every blog known has something “stolen” on them. I don’t use art work or personal pictures from other blogs, but I am not above using a picture from a news organization and will not ask them. They are like everyone else, they want the linkage and pagerank.
I do believe that we will see a metered and private Internet in the next 20 years. Oh yeah, I had to remove the html links because they prevent comments from showing up, so I had to strip the html elements.
I almost forgot. Often, after writing a post, I’ll use google image search to find a picture. Often times, I’ll see the same picture on 100 different sites and cannot find out who the originator is. I have no problem using one of those without giving credit. I guess I am evil
#30 by dcr at June 24th, 2008
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“I played and wrote music professionally for years and had to copywrite every song, it cost a lot of money to do.”
Prior to 1989, when the U.S. Copyright laws were changed to be in line with the Berne Convention, registration may have been required. Copyright laws changed in 1976 and 1989. I know that, since 1989, a Copyright notice is no longer required. Not sure when it was changed so that registration was no longer required (though still encouraged for the reasons I mentioned earlier).
“Looking around at say, entertainment blogs, which have tons of pictures of stars – are all in the wrong and deserve to be sued?”
That’s basically at the will of the Copyright owner. You can buy licenses to use AP and other photographs, and larger sites probably do that in order to avoid any problems. As far as amateurs go, they probably aren’t paying anyone anything. Generally, if a photographer spots his/her photo on a site, he’ll start with a cease and desist letter. Some companies have lawyers that just surf the web and send such letters. A couple years ago, some of the big photo sites (the ones that license photos for use for big bucks) started going after sites using their photos, sending them bills for exorbitant amounts and threatening lawsuits if the site owner didn’t pay up.
That’s when I stopped using any third-party images, except for stuff like illustrations I paid an illustrator to do. There were (and still are) third party sites where you can pay for a membership and have unlimited downloads (or some have everything free and just run ads). So, you could download images and use them on your site. But, unknown to you, those sites hadn’t vetted everything they make available (and include in their user agreements that it’s up to the user to determine usability), so if you ended up using a copyrighted image, you could be, well, screwed. So, in such cases, even people trying to do the right thing got in trouble!
At any rate, in many cases, copyright owners are just going to focus their efforts on the people that are making money off their work. You’re probably less likely to get in trouble for using a picture with a blog post than you are for selling t-shirts with that picture on it. Most copyright owners are going to go after the latter, though some will go after the former too, especially if it’s been a slow week.
“Often times, Ill see the same picture on 100 different sites and cannot find out who the originator is. I have no problem using one of those without giving credit. I guess I am evil.”
Actually, that helps compound the problem for the copyright owner. There have been cases where people will grab a photo from another site, and then crop out the photographer’s copyright notice. Then, they’ll post that online. Then, that gets copied and copied and people continue copying it, and the original photographer no longer gets credit for his work. If he finds who originally copied his photo (and cropped it to remove the notice), he can go after him, but then there are all those other copies out there.
Best thing is to use your own images. Second best is to use images from some place where you have a paper trail (or virtual paper trail) that establishes that you have permission to use it (Creative Commons, copyleft, etc.). Or, you can also use public domain images, but only if you are certain they are in the public domain (basically, copyright has expired or creator explicitly released it to the public domain).
You can’t control what other bloggers do. You can only control what you do.
I have concerns too over the future of the Internet. It was mostly fine until the politicians started getting involved. Then, there are the big companies that oppose net neutrality because they want to double charge us. I think they want to charge websites for traffic going over their lines! As a website owner, I already pay for usage. If I use too much bandwidth, I get charged for it. As a website user, I pay for a certain amount of bandwidth to access the Internet. Neither user nor owners should have to pay twice for the same thing. Why should the big Internet providers get paid by both website owners and web users for the same bandwidth?
For example, if I pay for Internet service, and I want to use Google, I should be able to use Google. Google shouldn’t have to pay my Internet provider to be “carried” by them. I pay my Internet provider. Google pays their Internet provider. Google shouldn’t have to also pay my Internet provider. Access to different website, including Google, is what I’m paying my Internet provider for. But, that’s what the big telecom companies that oppose net neutrality want: double dipping.
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#31 by Revellian at June 24th, 2008
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Thanks again Dan
In the future, I’ll make sure I get permission or just use my own photos. I actually have over 10,000 free pics (public domain) from a web authoring program I can use on my blog, but forgot I had!
For the picture of the Copa Casino in my previous post, I contacted them and asked if I could use the picture. They said it wasn’t their picture and they didn’t care if I used it. Those were actually taken by the U.S. Coast guard but I just went ahead and used it. This has happened many times; I ask for permission and it’s not theirs to begin with.
You pay for using too much bandwidth? I have cable Internet and have unlimited bandwidth, so I am thankful for that. It costs $39.00 per month which is expensive for me right now.
With as much knowledge as you have about this stuff, you could have a great copywriting blog along with similar associated content. It would be a great niche for you
#32 by Revellian at June 24th, 2008
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Thanks for the compliment
. My comment about Google meant that I am not above owning other sites that appear not owned by me – it had nothing to do with using pictures or text from other sites
#33 by Revellian at June 24th, 2008
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Thanks and it’s very true! My friend DCR in the above comments has caused me to change my views, so be sure to check his comments out
#34 by Revellian at June 24th, 2008
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I do too Grace, but I’m going to try to be more prudent in how I do that from now on. YouTube breaks more laws than any other site and just by putting a you tube video on your site, you are indirectly stealing…haha
#35 by Revellian at June 24th, 2008
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Hello Masked Millionaire, that’s the other side of the coin! The bigger sites get so many incoming links just from the small percentage of people who do give credit – millions of links which in turn help make them millions of dollars. I think Google should pay all bloggers royalties just for using it. Thanks for coming by, and I also subscribed to your blog
#36 by Revellian at June 24th, 2008
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I don’t know the answer Jack, but it’s quite humorous to think about! Thanks for reading
#37 by Revellian at June 25th, 2008
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Thanks Apple! My main point is that we all use information from other sources, and if we are creative, we can call it truly original
#38 by Revellian at June 25th, 2008
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Hi Nunyaa! I pretty much write first and link – I usually don’t ask. I’m probably going to start asking more. Sometimes when you write a post, you want to publish and not wait for days or weeks for permission. I think most people are flattered by being quoted and linked to…I know I do!
#39 by Revellian at June 25th, 2008
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Haha! I was hoping for an attention grabbing title. If you google “how to steal content”, I am number 1 for search results…YAY!!!! It’s always best to give credit, most people don’t. Thanks Madhur
#40 by Revellian at June 25th, 2008
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The last time someone copied an entire post(s) from me, they copied the whole thing, in tact with the pictures and even the related posts list at the bottom…haha! If that happens enough times from enough thieves, it makes your content seem unoriginal in the search engines. Many blackhat companies can do stuff like that hundreds of times all over the Internet and suffocate you. No matter how algorithms evolve and get better, hackers find new ingenious ways around it.
#41 by dcr at June 25th, 2008
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It depends on how you are rewriting the article. In my school days, teachers always told us to “use your own words,” which is relatively vague and doesn’t really explain things very well. Were we supposed to make up our own words? Gyuit fasr wolipnectfad?
Often, kids would just end up rewording things instead of doing original writing. Rewording is not sufficient. If you just substitute words or juggle sentences around here and there, that’s not really sufficient. You have to add originality.
For, let’s say that you have a public domain work in hand. With a public domain work, you can take it and create a derivative work from it. You can claim a copyright on the derivative work you create. But, if you take the public domain work and just reword things here and there, that is not sufficient for copyright protection. Copyright is designed to protect original work. So, if you just change things a little bit, you’re not creating anything new. Substituting words is not sufficient. You have to have done something creative with it.
So, if you just see a news article you want to write about and just reword it, then you’re still essentially copying their work. You can quote from and link to the article, but then add your own thoughts to it. People come to your site for your views, not to read recycled views found elsewhere.
You can do a self-evaluation on your posts. When you “rewrite” something, are you just taking what someone else has written and jumbling it around? Or, are you adding your own thoughts, experiences and ideas to it? It can be a difficult concept to grasp, especially if you’ve had countless school years of being told you just need to put things “in your own words.” But, it’s something that you learn over time.
Bear in mind, too, that facts cannot be copyrighted. Also, that certain things can only be expressed a limited number of ways. There is a limited number of ways to say that “the snake was green.” I mean, you could say “green was the snake,” the “snake was green in color,” and so on. But, someone can say “the snake was green” and you can also say “the snake was green” and that’s not a copyright infringement because there’s a limited number of ways to say the snake was green. There is what you might consider some leniency in that regard. So, those are two things to keep in mind.
Of course, knowing that, there is the tendency to read something and think, well, there’s no better way to explain it and think it’s okay to copy it. That’s not the case. The more that is written, the more different ways it could have been expressed. Which is probably very confusing. But, just consider how many movies you have seen that have the same basic plot only the story is completely different. Such it is with the written word, including news articles. There may be a limited number of ways to say the snake is green, but from there the description of the snake can go in many different ways. So, simply rewording is not enough. Be creative!
Remember that sweat equity does not necessarily equal creativity when dealing with literary (or other artistic) works. Just because you spend a lot of time trying to figure out ways of rewording something doesn’t mean that you’ve been being creative.
Sorry if this is confusing, but this stuff can be confusing and there’s a lot of stuff that seems to fall into gray areas that you’d only have a definitive answer for if the situation actually went to court. And, then it would be at the discrepancy of the judge or judges.
Best advice is to just be as original as possible and quote and credit any sources you use.
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#42 by Revellian at June 26th, 2008
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Hi Gary, I’m not so sure that news is public domain. If Reuters breaks a story, the other news corporations pay Reuters a fee to have permission to announce the story on their network. Again, the lines are blurred and it falls into gray area. I don’t re-report news stories on this site, mostly because I already read it and therefore it’s not worth writing about to me
#43 by Revellian at June 26th, 2008
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When it comes to affiliate marketing and make money blogging sites, none of them are original in my view, but they really can’t be. If you are trying to sell and sighn others up for some affiliate, you have already deprived yourself of originality. That’s why my blog is a personal blog and of course I don’t make much money. I know one person that makes around $5000.00 per month with adsense. He has 175 sites and 10 different adsense accounts…hahaha.
I write my articles in less than one minute, so I don’t really have time to copy. It’s best to understand concepts – once understood – and put them in your own words completely
#44 by Revellian at June 26th, 2008
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Thanks Shawie, if people at least gave credit, it would be a better blogosphere
#45 by Revellian at June 26th, 2008
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Thanks Dreso, all of human thought is based on what is learned from other people who came before them; therefore, no one has original thought…haha! I’m not going to worry abou everything I do with paranoia, but I will be using pictures I have permission to use in the future
#46 by Revellian at June 26th, 2008
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HI Michelle! I’m relaxed about it too. I write outside of blogging also, and know better than to place anything I want truly protected on my blog. My advice to fiction authors – for example – is to never place something they want in print form on their blog; wait until it’s published in print 1st.
With operating system virtualization and other technologies, it is quite easy for anyone to fake a published time stamp that will hold up in court – I know because I could do it right now. I’ve used many pictures in my fiction stories where the originator personally thanked me for using their pictures, though I actually did use it without prior permission.
It’s not whether I agree with Dan or not, the copyright laws he mentioned are the laws, so there’s no arguing with fact. I’m really glad I wrote this post because I learned lot from it, which is the purpose of writing it in the first place
Oh yeah…I almost forgot, I hadn’t thought of using wikipedia photos, I just checked it out and they are in the commons. Thanks for letting me know about that!
#47 by Revellian at June 26th, 2008
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Hi Steve! You are right about the way the Internet was created. We all feed off of and influence one another. If a picture is stolen from us, it often depends on who stole it that makes all the difference. If wikipedia stole somehing from my site and linked to me, I would be quite happy with that page rank 8 incoming link! If Joe Nobody took it, I’d probably take offense, especially if he made money off of it and gave me no credit.
Incoming links are the lifeblood of any site – if someone uses a little from my site and gives me a link, I’m happy to get it. Hell, I’ll personally thank them in most cases
#48 by Revellian at June 26th, 2008
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Hi Monavie, I bet most site owners would be shocked to even be asked for permission! Chances are, they’ll say yes 90% of the time simply because asking is such a nice thing to do
#49 by Revellian at June 27th, 2008
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Hi Jeanne, you know, I’ve been looking around on major news sites and noticing that they steal more photos than anyone. I found several pictures of Barack Obama which appear on hundreds of sites and there is no credit given. I’m wondering why I should give credit to a major news network for using their pictures when they are not crediting the photographer in the first place. I very seriously doubt they all paid for the same picture!
I am more inclined to stay away from using blogger’s photos than I am news and entertainment pictures!
As far as Google alerts go, they only work if the titles or exact text is stolen. When using pictures, I change the name and resize it – then it can’t appear on a Google alert.
#50 by Revellian at June 27th, 2008
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I don’t know why I started on the picture thing, I guess it was on my mind. I often go in odd directions.I use the digital fingerprints plug in on wordpress which hides a fingerprint in the feed not the site which works with google alerts. I don’t know if you have wordpress, or what format you use.
I know some blackhat hackers – the things they do are unbelievable and many are extremely unethical. I think with text content, the higher ranked a site is, the more likely it is to be scraped or hacked. It’s a real pain to deal with it, and any blogger that writes something good is a target.
That’s a great idea to check for phrases, and if you want to be safe, you almost have to. I am working on a few novels, and will not be publishing anything from them on my blog, especially my book of short stories. I just publish really short stories on this blog, but nothing I plan on selling – I’ll save the good ones for print.
A really skilled content scraper will automate their system to change titles and bylines based on keywords, etc. and enable them to not get caught often. The big problem is that the average blogger does not posses the technical prowess of a hacker, so they have a huge advantage.
I read several blackhat seo sites so I can learn more about how they do what they do. I figure knowledge is power and I need to know my enemy. I do feel helpless sometimes when I get an onslaught of theft. It never ends! Thanks so much Jeanne